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    Could someone who has used both Abeka and Horizons help me out with the main differences between them? In particular I am wondering about the Kindergarten and 1st grade programs. Thanks so much!
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    Are you asking about their math programs only or all of the K and 1st materials?

    I've only used Horizons in math but Abeka's entire programs for K-4 through 5th grade.

    Abeka math worked great for my dd --she just gets math very easily and required almost no teaching since Abeka introduces any new concepts on the first page of a lesson and includes little boxes to demonstrate it and the back is review. However, for her by the time we finished their 5th grade math program (she actually used some other programs with it for fun) she was sick of the repetition of Abeka and had grown to HATE math.

    I started middle ds in Abeka bec I thought it was such as great program, but it was a disaster for him. He did fine the first 6-8 weeks of Abeka K and then it was overload. I switched for awhile to a program I had called Moving with Math which was a literature based program and then we ended up switching to Horizons and did all of Horizons K and most of the 1st grade program for his first grade year. We stuck with Horizons until Horizons 3 and then the format no longer worked for him bec he's ADHD and the color and "squished" format as he called it drove him nuts.

    I think Abeka and Horizons are very similar in scope and sequence ---Abeka is colorful but keeps their problems (at least the editions I have) on a white background, while Horizons tend to give color behind some of their sections, if that makes sense. I thought that Horizons moved a little more gently than Abeka in some instances --although it does include more early Algebraic reasoning than I found in Abeka. A big difference is in the TG ---Abeka sells both the standard TG which is a version of the student edition with some teaching ideas and of course the answers --they of course also have the Curriculum manuals which lays out day to day what to do. Abeka has more drills built into the program ---which can be both good and bad. Horizons teacher guides are, well in my opinion, lacking in substance if you aren't comfortable teaching math. I didn't have a prob with it, but that's been a big complaint from a lot of moms. A disadvantage to Horizons is that it only goes to grade 6 and then you need to switch curriculum. Both programs are spiral and offer way more practice than you need --so unless you have one that just likes to do math for fun --you'll want to cut out parts of the daily problems and not to the drills everyday. I think cost can be another factor people look at --Horizons is cheaper. Both programs are ahead of most math programs; some people feel that both teaches how to solve the problems but not the why so that kids by 4th or 5th grade are solving some complicated problems but without understanding why they are doing certain steps and if presented with a problem in a different format can't work it; from what I recall Abeka seemed to have more word problems.

    I've probably missed some things - but hopefully that will help you some. If you have more specific questions I can dig out my old Abeka and Horizons K and 1st - it's been awhile since I used those levels. I went with BJU K for little bit this year ---I toy with the idea of going to Abeka or Horizons for him next, but haven't decided.
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    I used to Tutor math and I switched to Abeka because Horizons did not make any sense to me and the TM was no help at all.

    Abeka spells out when and how to drill facts as well and that was a big plus for me. I have more on Abeka and Horizons in this thread. HTH
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    Thanks so much for your replies. I'm sorry I wasn't more specific but I didn't have much time when I posted. Let me explain a little more.

    I am very familiar with Abeka. My K'er is now using it and my oldest son used it through 3rd grade. My oldest at that point was starting to hate math so we switched to SOS for him and so far he loves it. My little guy is doing fine in math with Abeka but he is getting to the point where it almost seems too easy for him - Or at least that's what I am thinking. He also has ADHD and is not medicated for it. If something is too easy or too hard he gets distracted easily.

    I was thinking that, since I will be ordering from AOP anyway, I might try Horizons for him. On the other hand, I kinda think that, since he's doing OK with Abeka, to just stick with it and maybe pick up the pace a little. As for the TG/Curriculum, I am very confortable with Math and have barely used them so that's not an issue. I'm just not sure and I need to make a decision soon because I can't stand not having all my curriculum early. I just want to know I have everything and be done with it so I can start organizing and planning. I have also considered Singapore but, I think that the lack of color on the pages might make it seem boring to him.

    The info you've provided so far has been helpful but, I'm still not sure. Anyone who has used Singapore math? What would you do in my situation? Thanks!
    Last edited by AndreaMom2Boys; 03-31-2009 at 11:50 AM.
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    You should call Abeka and talk to an "education specialist". They helped me decide what to do with DD, since she doesn't really need to go over all of Abeka 1. What I would do if I were you is cut out the front, since that is all review and seat work. Then you have the option of going back and doing the front of the page if you need to at a later time. They also told me that I could skip to lesson 30 in the 2nd grade book if I finish the 1st grade book, or I could only get halfway through the 1st grade book and then go ahead and start the second grade book. HTH

    DD is also very bright and has ADHD. I have really struggled deciding what to do with her in math. She did very, very well with the approach of My Father's World, which has math integrated and informal. Then I started messing things up. LOL. I think there is a website that is similar, called living math or something like that.

    We are using several natural supplements for ADHD and they are working really well.

    DUH! I have the Horizons K TM and K Workbook 2. Do you want them? It should be about $7to mail all of it I think. Or I might be able to ship just the workbook for less. Let me know.
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    I understand what you are saying and if you want a similar workbook to Abeka that moves faster, Horizons is it. I know some people prefer Horizons because it moves faster in the early grades, then they switch when things start to get harder and they want to slow down or need a better TM, usually 3rd grade.
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    Some thoughts ---

    DD got math and Abeka was easy for her. We moved quickly through the first two levels and that was at a time when I was new to hsing and she did every single Abeka math problem (OVERKILL!). I quickly found that I could add to her math in several ways --one we added an additional math program that she did 1-2 days a week and considered a "fun" math - we used Singapore and Moving with Math. We also added in math literature (I used the Livingmath site for book ideas) from the library and we did various projects related to the topics. I found that she enjoyed going deeper into concepts. If you begin with any spiral program you can give your dc the chpt tests to begin with and then begin with any chapter where the dc doesn't get a certain percentage correct. We did that beginning with the 2nd grade Abeka math and dd was able to skip a large portion of the text. We also used computer games like Primary Rock, Vroot and Vroom, Wiggle Woods and she was able to explore new math concepts in a fun, game format. Prufrock Press has some additional titles for books for teaching gifted kids that add an additional dimension to topics.

    Eventually for dd we had to leave Abeka bec she became too bored with the repetition of it. Now that she is doing Algebra she has selected the BJU program --rigorous and not spiral!
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    Thank you all so much for your wonderful ideas! After thinking and praying about things more and reading your posts, I have decided to go ahead with Abeka. I'm so glad I posted because I was all but decided on Horizons but this got me to thinking more and, most importantly, praying more.

    lovedtodeath - Thanks for the offer of the books. Since we are almost finished with K and I have now decided to stay with Abeka, I won't need them. I sincerely appreciate the offer though.

    You ladies really have been so much help and I'm glad for this forum. I was so confused and now everything seems clear to me. I love it when God speaks to us through His children!
    Andrea
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    Rayhan(9/22/1999) - Wordly Wise 3000, CLE Mathematics 500-600, Abeka God's Gift of Language B, Abeka Enjoying Good Health, Abeka Art, IEW Student Intensive A, and lots of reading
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndreaMom2Boys
    You ladies really have been so much help and I'm glad for this forum. I was so confused and now everything seems clear to me. I love it when God speaks to us through His children!
    Agreeing with you here. I'm always forging ahead of God in the wrong direction. If I had stopped and prayed, I could've escaped some of the messes I get into.
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